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	<title>Kommentare zu: Soziale Männer unter sich: Der Enterprise 2.0 Summit und die Frauenquote</title>
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		<title>Von: Susan Scrupski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Scrupski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel obligated to point readers of this post to a round-up of opinions on the &quot;dearth of female speakers&quot; issue covered by my brothers-in-spirit blogging at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://technicallywomen.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TechnicallyWomen&lt;/a&gt; blog.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://technicallywomen.com/technically-speaking-women-need-to-speak-up/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is my post&lt;/a&gt;, but the other bloggers&#039; posts are better, IMO. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel obligated to point readers of this post to a round-up of opinions on the &#8220;dearth of female speakers&#8221; issue covered by my brothers-in-spirit blogging at the <a href="http://technicallywomen.com/" rel="nofollow">TechnicallyWomen</a> blog.</p>
<p><a href="http://technicallywomen.com/technically-speaking-women-need-to-speak-up/" rel="nofollow">This is my post</a>, but the other bloggers&#8217; posts are better, IMO. <img src='http://www.besser20.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Von: Andrea Back</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea Back</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found this discussion via a post of Ellen Trude. And also found, my name is mentioned in your blog post. So I feel like commenting: Well, it is sometimes much easier than pondering deeply about gender discrimination etc. Hardly anybody consciously excludes female speakers. a) Point is, hardly anybody actively thinks of including females for top positions; and this is especially true for German speaking countries (for the male business unconsciousness, women in IT are &quot;ghosts&quot;, strategically sort of physically not really existent) We are experiencing this at universities, when we try to find out what works in identifying the female talent pool for top academic positions. So this is perhaps one of the clues. b) Behavioral research shows, overall, women tend to be less &quot;aggressive&quot; in binging themselves into the game, they prefer to be found and asked. Which of course is also is a hint for women, to be more pro-active, and this is of course gradually happening. c) The most simple thing is a network effect. If you start with &quot;finding&quot; and including women, then more female speakers will show up over time naturally through recommendations. Women network with women also, women know who and where their peers are, and so the first-time women become nodes to tap into the &quot;female&quot; networks &amp; pool of expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this discussion via a post of Ellen Trude. And also found, my name is mentioned in your blog post. So I feel like commenting: Well, it is sometimes much easier than pondering deeply about gender discrimination etc. Hardly anybody consciously excludes female speakers. a) Point is, hardly anybody actively thinks of including females for top positions; and this is especially true for German speaking countries (for the male business unconsciousness, women in IT are &#8220;ghosts&#8221;, strategically sort of physically not really existent) We are experiencing this at universities, when we try to find out what works in identifying the female talent pool for top academic positions. So this is perhaps one of the clues. b) Behavioral research shows, overall, women tend to be less &#8220;aggressive&#8221; in binging themselves into the game, they prefer to be found and asked. Which of course is also is a hint for women, to be more pro-active, and this is of course gradually happening. c) The most simple thing is a network effect. If you start with &#8220;finding&#8221; and including women, then more female speakers will show up over time naturally through recommendations. Women network with women also, women know who and where their peers are, and so the first-time women become nodes to tap into the &#8220;female&#8221; networks &amp; pool of expertise.</p>
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		<title>Von: Meinrad Rombach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meinrad Rombach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to Susan, one imprtant aspect in the gender discussion was written here. I want to add the fact, that on  the latest  international *ONLINE* conferences facing corporate learning in the 2.0 age (http://is.gd/4YNwO and http://is.gd/4YNA7 -see my German review at http://www.telecoaching.org), the gender-ratio is more balanced (30% female speakers, 50+% femal participants). As the Learntrends Comference is still ongoing today, you can login for free at 5pm German time an count yourself ;-)  In my opinion, traditional face to face conferences can´t focus the whole picture  because of participation barriers. They tend to priviledge opinions of professional evangelists more than owners of practical experience.I do not want to bother any speaker of the conference (I was not there), but bring the gender discussion down to gender-balanced congress formats, which include online participation for both audience and speakers (such a virtualization job would be a good reason for me to come to Frankfurt ;-)   Anyway Susan can benefit from that as all teir brotherly conpemporaries, maybe for different reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to Susan, one imprtant aspect in the gender discussion was written here. I want to add the fact, that on  the latest  international *ONLINE* conferences facing corporate learning in the 2.0 age (<a href="http://is.gd/4YNwO" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4YNwO</a> and <a href="http://is.gd/4YNA7" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4YNA7</a> -see my German review at <a href="http://www.telecoaching.org)" rel="nofollow">http://www.telecoaching.org)</a>, the gender-ratio is more balanced (30% female speakers, 50+% femal participants). As the Learntrends Comference is still ongoing today, you can login for free at 5pm German time an count yourself <img src='http://www.besser20.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   In my opinion, traditional face to face conferences can´t focus the whole picture  because of participation barriers. They tend to priviledge opinions of professional evangelists more than owners of practical experience.I do not want to bother any speaker of the conference (I was not there), but bring the gender discussion down to gender-balanced congress formats, which include online participation for both audience and speakers (such a virtualization job would be a good reason for me to come to Frankfurt <img src='http://www.besser20.de/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />    Anyway Susan can benefit from that as all teir brotherly conpemporaries, maybe for different reasons.</p>
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		<title>Von: E2.0 Summit, gender and leadership &#171; Modesty 3.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>E2.0 Summit, gender and leadership &#171; Modesty 3.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am starting to wonder if there are any connections between the appearance or lack of appearance of female presenters and the focus the “leadership”-topic got on the summit as something new. The idea of [...]</description>
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		<title>Von: Susan Scrupski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Scrupski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Very strange... did I comment on this post in my sleep?  I don&#039;t remember leaving the above comment?] 

I agree with you wholeheartedly, and dinged Kai on this in my conference advisor Q&amp;A-- substituted &quot;brother-in-spirit&quot; for &quot;sister-in-spirit.&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/moLGP&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/moLGP&lt;/a&gt; Oliver, Dion, and Andy missed it... 

In The 2.0 Adoption Council, we have AMAZING, intelligent, articulate, and exemplary women who can talk e20 circles around many e20 experts.  I welcome the opportunity to see more of our female members speaking at e20 conferences.  In my case, I would have loved to come to Frankfurt (and was invited many times, even expenses paid.)  But, you see my dear friend... professional women bear unusual burdens.  I am a single mother.  With all the travel I had done in the prior two weeks to San Francisco-- as a Mom, not a professional career women-- I chose not to go to #e20s.  My son needs me more than the e20 community, in other words.  

There have been times in my career that I refused to attend events unless the conference organizer paid for travel for my children and my nanny as well.  (I was once ballsier and more important.)  Work is fun and rewarding, but parenting trumps career opportunities.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;m unique in this regard.  Although, I might suggest women face this choice perhaps more often than their brotherly contemporaries. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Very strange... did I comment on this post in my sleep?  I don't remember leaving the above comment?] </p>
<p>I agree with you wholeheartedly, and dinged Kai on this in my conference advisor Q&amp;A&#8211; substituted &#8220;brother-in-spirit&#8221; for &#8220;sister-in-spirit.&#8221; <a href="http://bit.ly/moLGP" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/moLGP</a> Oliver, Dion, and Andy missed it&#8230; </p>
<p>In The 2.0 Adoption Council, we have AMAZING, intelligent, articulate, and exemplary women who can talk e20 circles around many e20 experts.  I welcome the opportunity to see more of our female members speaking at e20 conferences.  In my case, I would have loved to come to Frankfurt (and was invited many times, even expenses paid.)  But, you see my dear friend&#8230; professional women bear unusual burdens.  I am a single mother.  With all the travel I had done in the prior two weeks to San Francisco&#8211; as a Mom, not a professional career women&#8211; I chose not to go to #e20s.  My son needs me more than the e20 community, in other words.  </p>
<p>There have been times in my career that I refused to attend events unless the conference organizer paid for travel for my children and my nanny as well.  (I was once ballsier and more important.)  Work is fun and rewarding, but parenting trumps career opportunities.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m unique in this regard.  Although, I might suggest women face this choice perhaps more often than their brotherly contemporaries.</p>
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		<title>Von: tigerfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>tigerfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Die weibliche Sicht der Dinge wird dringend benötigt...&quot;

Eine Rückfrage: Die bereits &quot;sichtbaren&quot; Frauen, die im Artikel und in den Kommentaren lobend erwähnt werden, würden Sie die jetzt eher der - nach Ihrer Interpretation - männlichen oder weiblichen Sichtweise zuordnen? 

Falls die erwähnten Frauen eher der männlichen Sichtweise zuzuordnen wären, dann müsste tatsächlich noch mal eine ganz andere Gruppe Frauen für solche Veranstaltungen rekrutiert werden. Also sozusagen die Frau-Frauen. 

Im Zusammenhang mit der Piratenpartei ist diese Diskussion ja auch bekannt. Da wird die Partei von außen - und in erster Linie von Frauen - schon mal als sexistische Männerpartei beschrieben, während die Frauen innerhalb der Piratenpartei sich verwundert die Augen reiben, dass sie von außen irgendwie gar nicht als Frauen wahrgenommen werden und sich von innen gar nicht als Frauen diskriminiert fühlen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Die weibliche Sicht der Dinge wird dringend benötigt&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Eine Rückfrage: Die bereits &#8220;sichtbaren&#8221; Frauen, die im Artikel und in den Kommentaren lobend erwähnt werden, würden Sie die jetzt eher der &#8211; nach Ihrer Interpretation &#8211; männlichen oder weiblichen Sichtweise zuordnen? </p>
<p>Falls die erwähnten Frauen eher der männlichen Sichtweise zuzuordnen wären, dann müsste tatsächlich noch mal eine ganz andere Gruppe Frauen für solche Veranstaltungen rekrutiert werden. Also sozusagen die Frau-Frauen. </p>
<p>Im Zusammenhang mit der Piratenpartei ist diese Diskussion ja auch bekannt. Da wird die Partei von außen &#8211; und in erster Linie von Frauen &#8211; schon mal als sexistische Männerpartei beschrieben, während die Frauen innerhalb der Piratenpartei sich verwundert die Augen reiben, dass sie von außen irgendwie gar nicht als Frauen wahrgenommen werden und sich von innen gar nicht als Frauen diskriminiert fühlen.</p>
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		<title>Von: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually it seems in the not-for-profit sector there are similar discussions for social media adoption in organisations (there it&#039;s still called knowledge management).

Having joined the KM4DEV community recently I noticed the gender issues are discussed. I did not follow it specificly, because I am used indeed to work in the IT sector - and I forgot seeing it. The  community is very colourful in all meanings, just connected by dealing with developing and transition countries and passionate about 2.0 collaboration. you may have a look at 
http://www.km4dev.org/ At the last event there was a gender huddle as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually it seems in the not-for-profit sector there are similar discussions for social media adoption in organisations (there it&#8217;s still called knowledge management).</p>
<p>Having joined the KM4DEV community recently I noticed the gender issues are discussed. I did not follow it specificly, because I am used indeed to work in the IT sector &#8211; and I forgot seeing it. The  community is very colourful in all meanings, just connected by dealing with developing and transition countries and passionate about 2.0 collaboration. you may have a look at<br />
<a href="http://www.km4dev.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.km4dev.org/</a> At the last event there was a gender huddle as well.</p>
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		<title>Von: Frank Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark and @Gil - Thanks a lot for your comments  - we plan to publish further post also in english on the blog of our new site &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.socialsoftwarematrix.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.socialsoftwarematrix.org&lt;/a&gt; but your comments in english are very welcome here too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark and @Gil &#8211; Thanks a lot for your comments  &#8211; we plan to publish further post also in english on the blog of our new site <a href="http://www.socialsoftwarematrix.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.socialsoftwarematrix.org</a> but your comments in english are very welcome here too!</p>
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		<title>Von: Gil Yehuda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gil Yehuda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me add (in English, sorry) since I mentioned this issue at the conference, that I&#039;m normally not the one to feel this is big deal.  I don&#039;t believe that we need to make quotas for gender, hair color, height, ear lobe size, or any other non-essential characteristic.  The quality of information sharing is based on the quality of the information and of the sharing.  Despite the lack of female speakers - the E20 Summit was great.  But indeed, this lack was a very apparent element of the event.  I also have many female heroes who have influenced me greatly, including Jessica Lipnack, AmyJo Kim (I mentioned both in my session), and Rachel Happe, among the the other mentioned above (Susan, Charlene, etc.) and many I follow on Twitter.

But when thinking about the nature of participation, gender (and age) can play an important role too.  I was pleased that at the session I delivered, I received questions from @Ronna - but it was the first time that day that I recall hearing a question from a female in the audience (at least in the main room we were in).  Gender is only one factor though.  For example, I detected more questions from French-sounding participants than from German-sounding participants, even though they were in the minority.  This plays into some understanding that the nature of public expression is impacted by culture.  Which was the main theme of Mark&#039;s excellent session.  In the E2.0 world, we have to be especially sensitive to creating an environment where people can participate in ways that work for them.  So we need to create space for that participation too.

I believe that at an E2.0 conference - the participants and their participation are the key measures.  So regardless if all the speakers are male, it is important that the participation is highly diverse.  As speakers, our role is to stimulate the thought process and evoke participation and shared learning. I look forward to future sessions where we continue to bring stimulating speakers and bright participants together in developing our field -- for all who find value in the conversation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me add (in English, sorry) since I mentioned this issue at the conference, that I&#8217;m normally not the one to feel this is big deal.  I don&#8217;t believe that we need to make quotas for gender, hair color, height, ear lobe size, or any other non-essential characteristic.  The quality of information sharing is based on the quality of the information and of the sharing.  Despite the lack of female speakers &#8211; the E20 Summit was great.  But indeed, this lack was a very apparent element of the event.  I also have many female heroes who have influenced me greatly, including Jessica Lipnack, AmyJo Kim (I mentioned both in my session), and Rachel Happe, among the the other mentioned above (Susan, Charlene, etc.) and many I follow on Twitter.</p>
<p>But when thinking about the nature of participation, gender (and age) can play an important role too.  I was pleased that at the session I delivered, I received questions from @Ronna &#8211; but it was the first time that day that I recall hearing a question from a female in the audience (at least in the main room we were in).  Gender is only one factor though.  For example, I detected more questions from French-sounding participants than from German-sounding participants, even though they were in the minority.  This plays into some understanding that the nature of public expression is impacted by culture.  Which was the main theme of Mark&#8217;s excellent session.  In the E2.0 world, we have to be especially sensitive to creating an environment where people can participate in ways that work for them.  So we need to create space for that participation too.</p>
<p>I believe that at an E2.0 conference &#8211; the participants and their participation are the key measures.  So regardless if all the speakers are male, it is important that the participation is highly diverse.  As speakers, our role is to stimulate the thought process and evoke participation and shared learning. I look forward to future sessions where we continue to bring stimulating speakers and bright participants together in developing our field &#8212; for all who find value in the conversation.</p>
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		<title>Von: 2009 ist der Durchbruch für den breiten Einsatz von Enterprise 2.0 – Ein Bericht vom E 2.0 Summit &#124; Von Jens Osthues &#124; Communote, e20s, e20summit, Enterprise20, Microblogging, Enterprise2, 0, Wissensmanagement, Kooperation, Intranet &#124; Human Network Com</title>
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		<dc:creator>2009 ist der Durchbruch für den breiten Einsatz von Enterprise 2.0 – Ein Bericht vom E 2.0 Summit &#124; Von Jens Osthues &#124; Communote, e20s, e20summit, Enterprise20, Microblogging, Enterprise2, 0, Wissensmanagement, Kooperation, Intranet &#124; Human Network Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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